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Published on December 5, 2012 By terpfan1980 In Politics

Argh!  Double Argh even.

I so want to say something, but I really can't, at least not to the parties that I'd like to say it to.

In this particular case, knowing some sensitive information leaves me so wanting to pass it along to some folks, and yet, well, I can't.  I'm sworn to secrecy and for business reasons, I really do need to keep things that way, but it doesn't mean that I don't want to and don't feel the need to tell someone else that they really might want to consider all of their options and possibly re-think some plans that they were talking to me about earlier today.

Here's the basics:

I'm aware of possible and probably likely personnel moves that may be necessitated due to the fiscal cliff negotiations and possible outcomes, and really probably likely because of business plans that will likely be put into effect even if the fiscal cliff is solved without too much damage to the economy in general.  Knowing of these possible moves, I'm holding information that could impact friends and co-workers which means that as those co-workers talk to me about their plans for the holidays (plans to take time off and use up their paid-time-off as an example) I have the fun of smiling and encouraging them to have a great time even as I want to tell them that they really should probably rethink those plans so they can save up some of their PTO so they'd have it available if they were to be laid off.

I really wish I could say something but since the information that I have is a rumor only, and the co-worker has not been told of this possible RIF (that I know of), I can't really say anything.

Were I able to just sit down and talk about politics and the economy in general, I suppose I could steer the conversation a little towards the idea that given the way things seem to be going with the fiscal cliff negotiations if I was a smart man I'd probably be hoarding up my PTO time since my employer pays for that time if an employee is terminated for some reason.  But, in this case, this is not the type of conversation that I'd normally have with the co-worker I'm most thinking of.  In general, it's not even something that I'd talk about with most people in my work team and yet I have talked about these things a bit with some co-workers because we've lamented the work load and burden that we know is on too few people currently.  Sadly, given the budget situation for the government in general, and the organization myself and my co-workers contract for, an educated guess can be had that there will be losses in the future and no one is really all that safe.

I do wish that the clowns in congress would get things figured out, but I don't think any of that will change the plans that seem to be getting made now.  In the end, I expect that I'll see some reductions that will wind up having some co-workers become victims of Reductions in Force (RIFs).  I hope for the best for those co-workers and do wish I could give them the word to become much more conservative in the use of their PTO time, though I also admit that hearing them speak of the need to enjoy some down time and mental R&R time over the holidays leaves me thinking they probably do need that time as well.


Comments (Page 2)
on Dec 06, 2012

That is exactly the position your coworkers are in....so why stress about them?

Because of this thing called compassion

I feel for my co-workers.  I would hate to have a co-worker know something that would impact me in such a way not actually tell me what they know and give me a chance to be better prepared for what is coming, and I hate not being able to tell my co-worker(s) to prepare for what is most likely coming.

It is possible that my co-workers have been told what is coming and if so, then it really doesn't matter at this point, but if they continue to be left in the dark about the situation and they make what could be poor choices given the coming events (which wouldn't be such poor choices if those events weren't coming) then I'm left feeling bad.  

Example: It's one thing to be taking time off knowing you aren't going to be working that much longer but another thing completely taking time off now not knowing that a few weeks later you'll be laid off and could have been compensated for any unused paid-time-off that had been accumulated.  The 2 - 3 days of PTO time could make for at least a little more in the last paycheck that would help to cover bills that could be coming during the period when the co-worker(s) go from employed to looking for work elsewhere.  3 days pay might cover COBRA (medical) insurance costs for a month and that could be important.

on Dec 06, 2012

terpfan1980
The 2 - 3 days of PTO time could make for at least a little more in the last paycheck that would help to cover bills that could be coming during the period when the co-worker(s) go from employed to looking for work elsewhere.

Wouldn't they be going from employed to unemployed and receiving unemployment?  The future is totally uncertain for everyone -- the only thing we really get to "hang on to" are our memories, and if making a wonderful vacation memory consumes 3 PTO days worth of pay, then that's a value that lasts forever. 

on Dec 06, 2012

Unfortunately and sadly there are few people that can really be trusted with a secret. Some are careless and forgetful; others hope to gain recognition and acceptance by revealing a secret and some will do it just for personal financial gain.

King Solomon said: “He who goes about as a talebearer reveals secrets, but he who is trustworthy conceals a matter.”

The ethics of the situation are fairly clear.

When must a secret be revealed? Here are a couple of cases (bearing in mind you are not a Physician nor a Priest):

  • When the secret has the potential of causing physical or financial harm to yourself or to others. 
  • When keeping the secret violate your legal obligations.

While there are cases where those two might conflict with each other, this is not one of them.

 

Possible or probable futures have nothing to do with your ethical obligation. You have no legal obligation since you did not sign an NDA.

Your conflict revolves around a perceived difference between ethical and moral decisions/actions. 

I believe this is one case where they coincide.

on Dec 06, 2012

OMG! Just spill your guts already! We can all see your just dying to do it and it's killing you...not to mention the suspense is killing to me too ...and you'll feel so much better when you get it off your chest. Here...have a bunch of these and then just go for it! Your workers will think your a hero for giving them a chance to prepare for the doom that awaits them. Then again...maybe it's them that is harboring the secret and your about to join a line! Oh man! Wouldn't that just suck the big one!

Ok...better have some more of these

on Dec 06, 2012

terpfan1980
I would hate to have a co-worker know something that would impact me in such a way not actually tell me what they know and give me a chance to be better prepared for what is coming,

....and just how do you know that is not already the case? ....

on Dec 07, 2012

WebGizmos
Then again...maybe it's them that is harboring the secret and your about to join a line!

That would be an interesting twist in the plot or 

 

on Dec 08, 2012

Look I'll make it real simple for you.

 THE FISCAL CLIFF WILL NOT BE FIXED!!!!

The idiots or better yet CROOKS in Washington will not fix it, in fact the only way they will fix it is by ordering a NEW round of bailouts to their Wall Street Investment Banker Master's, printing more money, raising the debt ceiling, raising taxes with a new value added tax and perhaps a carbon tax and finally cutting services (austerity).

Which in the end never really fixes anything, because all it does is further impoverish's those that work for a living, while getting the top 1% wealthier and wealthier.

So if you know something is going to happen it's your responsibility and duty to let them know that they should be a little bit wiser on how they spend their money in the next few months.

on Dec 08, 2012

Soon...you will need a wheel barrel full of money just to buy a Loaf of bread.

on Dec 08, 2012

jereome
Look I'll make it real simple for you.

As shall I...

Turn this political and it gets moved into obscurity land.

on Dec 08, 2012

Then its up *****creek with out a paddle or no pot to **** in or window to throw it out of. Ew! Not want to go there.

on Dec 08, 2012

Discussing something like this, even without names, on a public forum is a bad idea. You never know who might be watching

on Dec 10, 2012

Unless they live in a bubble, they know.

My husband's job will likely be affected, one way or another, with the cut backs.  And my heart breaks for some of the smaller local businesses who are going to go bankrupt because several of the projects they support are killed.

Right now everyone is maneuvering, trying to NOT be on that list of cuts. 

I'd prefer we just go off the cliff today.  Let's get this drama over with so we can find ways to move on.  Delaying it is stressful to thousands, hundreds of thousands of families.  Just bite the bullet.  DO IT.  So when the dust settles we can start rebuilding smarter.

What?

A girl has dreams!

on Dec 12, 2012

Fuzzy Logic
Discussing something like this, even without names, on a public forum is a bad idea. You never know who might be watching

I take the position that if I post it, someone will.  So anything I do not want to get out, I make sure it is private.  Alas, no one else can view it either.

on Dec 27, 2012

Tova7 said:

Unless they live in a bubble, they know.

Heh, as it turns out, over the last few weeks, the persons that I had knowledge about were apparently pulled in and informed that their jobs were indeed going to be gone, but, as it also turns out, at least one of the individuals -- one that I think I'll most hate seeing gone -- is apparently living in a bubble or at least he's putting on a great public face as he had been going around telling other team members that he had a meeting the management and was told that he was going to be expected to take on more and different responsibilities.  Uh, sorry, but that isn't true, not given what our team's manager passed on to the other team members (finally, officially).

Some people just never quite get it, and perhaps that one particular team member is one such person.  In that area, I'm not certain.  Either way, I still value his work effort and know he was a very productive member of our team and would have been in the future as well, if given the chance.  Sadly, with the pending budget cuts and belt tightening in general, our team was destined to lose personnel and it looks like that person is gone no matter what.

 

Dr Guy said:

I take the position that if I post it, someone will...

And that has been, all along, the approach I took, though I didn't name names and I can say with a very high degree of confidence that the persons that would be involved are blissfully unaware of this site.  Despite some efforts to perhaps prove otherwise, I'm no idiot, and I very much value privacy and security, so I don't say more than I can safely say as I know anything I say on the net can come back to me in the end, and could get back to people that may not like what I've said or may have a problem with the fact that I've said something publicly, etc.

In any case, I do my best to be careful about what I say.

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